Subject	FWIW, the NA ECU in his car will only cause it to run in
Posted by	AshsZ on February 21, 2004 at 4:10 PM
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In Reply To	We don't even know if it is a rod bearing. Everybody's posted by mongoozTT on February 21, 2004 at 03:26 PM
Message	safety boost - that is all that would be affected as it was running a TT program. The NA ECU doesn't have the circuitry to control the wastegate solenoid line and that is the only difference between the NA and TT ECU electronically. I've run an NA ECU in my car since the conversion - there is still one in there today. Since I have a boost controller this doesn't pose any problems. In his case it posed a problem because he wasn't using a BC, but this is the only problem that will exist as a result. When the owner brought his ECU to us to have us look at it, it was noted that the ECU was a non-turbo ECU. I pointed it out to him and even showed him where the circuits were missing. What you are failing to recognize is that even though the car was only running 7psi of boost, it was still running in the normal maps. So your theory about it being because of the richness of the fuel maps has now gone out the window, not to mention the fact the argument was unfounded to start as a slightly richer mixture isn't going to make a rod bearing fail. The only reason it was running 7psi was because it didn't have the circuits to open the wastegate solenoids, NOT because it was running in safety mode. Regardless of whether or not your statement was 'what you think' or 'what you know to be the only absolute unarguable truth' is inconsequential. Your statement leads one to believe that the AshSPEC safety mode's richer fuel delivery was the only cause of this problem while you fail to mention any of the other pieces of evidence that you are now putting forth. I think it is bad presentation on your part - and dont be so quick to jump at me as I'm simply defending our product with hard, factual data to back it up. If it is a rod bearing, that is very easily determined. You dont need to take it apart to figure that one out - it will just knock all to hell and back. I dont know the exact story on this car or what symptoms it has right now, but at this point I really do want to know. Seeing that people are so quick to conclusively state a problem on the ECU's account without further investigation is ridiculous. I could search the forum and find a multitude of cars that have blown engines running the JWT program but I'm not about to start saying it is the JWT program that was the cause. For that matter, my engine blew once with the JWT program in it and it was later found to be as a result of a valvestem seal installation foul-up by the machinist. The fact is, engines will wear out and they will fail - it is a function of their use. Fortunately I dont see Chip jumping up and down calling out on the ECU as I know he has a good idea of what the ECU does and what it doesn't. I also think he will determine the cause of the problem as well as have the ability to correct it and I look forward to seeing the results myself. I guess all I am asking of you is to tread lightly - thankz! [ ashleypowers.com ] [ agpowers@bellsouth.net ] [ Zemulator Information Sheet ] [ Z1 Motorsports Website ] Enthusiasts soon understand each other. --W. Irving. Are you an enthusiast? If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor. Albert Einstein
Follow Ups	Does anyone have that video from the Z shootout in reynolds - mongoozTT 11:24:00 02/21/04 BTW, Sport 500 + JWT boost jets= 20+ psi - Chip(GMS Racing) 11:33:48 02/21/04 aaron used .035 welding tips, and he had a NA ecu by mistake (n/m) - mongoozTT 11:51:35 02/21/04 Did his motor blow on the NA ECU? (n/m) - Stealth021 12:19:44 02/21/04 no, it just put him in permanent safety boost, which may - mongoozTT 13:42:49 02/21/04 Can you please tell me, as well as everyone else, what - AshsZ 14:50:30 02/21/04 We don't even know if it is a rod bearing. Everybody's - mongoozTT 15:26:24 02/21/04 FWIW, the NA ECU in his car will only cause it to run in - AshsZ 16:10:09 02/21/04 Could running a NA ecu cause it to throw a code 34 everytime - mongoozTT 19:34:32 02/21/04 No. (n/m) - AshsZ 19:56:45 02/21/04 It is a/multiple rod bearing(s). I refuse to post any more - Chip(GMS Racing) 17:06:38 02/21/04 An oil pan dent of 1/4" will starve the pickup and ruin - AshsZ 17:54:19 02/21/04 Too many variables to blame anyone/anything. (n/m) - Chip(GMS Racing) 18:02:26 02/21/04 In some cases, true.. Just offering suggestions on things - AshsZ 18:49:39 02/21/04 I will know more when the motor comes out, - Chip(GMS Racing) 21:26:17 02/21/04 No dents, I can take a pic if you would like. - Chip(GMS Racing) 12:09:37 02/22/04 I wonder if the NA ECU caused him to always be in safety - Chip(GMS Racing) 12:40:30 02/21/04 It was the reason for him being in safety boost. He got it - mongoozTT 13:38:46 02/21/04 LOL, where did that come from? I wouldn't have any reason - AshsZ 14:56:26 02/21/04 heard it through the grapevine (n/m) - mongoozTT 15:30:49 02/21/04 No different than you checking out the JWT code at some - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 15:37:30 02/21/04 Find something new, thy cliche's are getting moldy. (n/m) - AshsZ 17:51:02 02/21/04 You lifted and tweaked that phrase just like code :/ - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 18:29:25 02/21/04 It it instigation like this that turns posts really really - AshsZ 18:48:22 02/21/04 Apart from the childish arguments you two get into... - Kenny 21:25:55 02/21/04 Way to quote scripture he-he. JC rocks :) (n/m) - AzHeat 01:19:57 02/22/04 Ash admitted at one time that he had copies of JWTs - nixit 11:47:28 02/22/04 When you stop posting garbage, I wont need to post - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 22:53:28 02/21/04 NA ECU chipped w/ TT program or NA ECU w/ NA program? (n/m) - Kenny 14:22:36 02/21/04 NA ecu w/ TT eprom (n/m) - mongoozTT 15:28:34 02/21/04 Safety boost and safety mode are two different things. - AshsZ 16:13:47 02/21/04 Makes sense actually. (n/m) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 16:26:42 02/21/04 He got a 34 everytime he drove the car. Is that safety - mongoozTT 19:37:56 02/21/04 i probably made it....search around here ---> - Datzun 11:49:08 02/21/04 drool - maxl(Indy) 12:00:59 02/21/04 2nd, that thing is beautiful (n/m) - ZPilot(Miami) 12:09:43 02/21/04 do you have anymore pics of Rick's Z? (n/m) - maxl(Indy) 12:33:12 02/21/04 i'll probably have more after the next show... - Datzun 15:43:39 02/21/04 cool. look forward to seeing them. (n/m) - maxl(Indy) 16:30:15 02/21/04 There are a couple actually, Datzun made them. - Kenny 14:01:47 02/21/04 Repost. (n/m) - Kenny 14:02:35 02/21/04
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